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Nice, nice!
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Problemet är åtgärdat under 2009. Jag har seglat ett år med mina Icon 2009 och har bara fått några mycket små skador.
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En mast håller länge, speciellt RDM, och känns inte gammal och omodern pga av shape, antal fenor eller grafik. Den mest prisvärda delen i surfutrustningen trots ett högt pris? Eller är det förlängaren? Och känns dom inte lite extra bra när dom varit med några år…
Helt klart en 400 mast som gäller, om du nu kan välja. Icon 5.3 körs med 400 sen några år, kanon.
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Såret är fint läkt nu. Dan efter att vinden lagt sig blev det boogieboard och jag kom emot nån vass sten precis inne vid land, där stenarna ligger samlade. Men då blev jag fotograf istället. Annars så sätter distriktsläkaren i Thisted fina suturer, det testade jag för länge sedan. Sonen fick vi försöka dra upp han ville aldrig sluta surfa…
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Något för Sinker?
[ame=”http://www.surfzone.se/forum/showthread.php?p=552401″]Twinfin på 2010orna? -Hur sker utvecklingen? – Sidan 8 – http://www.Surfzone.se[/ame%5D
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Och var är JPs Quad?
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Ja det är intressant att se vilka shapes inkl antal fenor som man satsar på.
Argumenten för single
Fanatic New Wave TE:
“Many top riders still favor directional single fin designs in a broad span of conditions. Our brief this season was clear. Widen the scope of turning angles without losing speed or sensation. “
JP WAVE, single:
“The all new Wave line replaces the very popular Real World Waves. When first introduced they were targeted as an alternative to the narrow radical down the line boards to cover less than ideal conditions. Over the years we’ve managed to create boards which cover almost all conditions, offering a direct rail to rail wave riding feel without compromising the need for low end and onshore performance.”
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Riktigt snyggt med skön känsla. Och långa sekvenser utan sönderklippning.
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Finns sedan några år insändare i lokalpressen, HN, Hallands Nyheter o diskussioner har förts med kommunen.
Verkligen en mycket tråkig förändring jämfört med 80-90-talet.
Husbilarnas ägare mutar in områden ner mot stranden med sina möbler o betraktar området som sitt privata.
Ämnet finns i en tidigare tråd tror jag.
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Intressant early review on the Quad 81.
(OBS! Jag kan inte garantera att detta är korrekta uppgifter, var o en får vara källkritisk. Alltså källans trovärdighet, översättn, att det över huvud taget är hämtat från källan)
-Mina frågor är vilka nackdelar har Quads avseende seglingsegenskaper? Långsammare? Mer? Berörs inte vad jag har sett, ev därför som Quad inte används på FW?
-Varför har Quad kommit just nu, som vi vet ingen nyhet inom vågsurfing, och varför har inte alla brädmärken övertygats om att dom har helt outstanding egenskaper? Med tanke på olika program 2010 avseende Quad -Tri -Twin -Single
Men visst känns det intressant!
Wind Mag, the largest French windsurfing Magazine has just put out an early review on the Quad 81. Here is a transcript,
Starboard Quad 81 2010
Single in 2008, twin fin in 2009, Quad in 2010, what’s next for 2011? While we wait, we might as well test this latest offer from Starboard, the first test of the very first production Quad board of our modern era.
After the first experiences on [Kauli’s] protos on Maui that were less than conclusive, we have to admit that our chief tester was not optimistic, but he had to find out.The fins multiply themselves, with big fins in front
The particularity of this board compared other quad fin protos that we tried is in the placement of the fins: the big pair of fins is in the front: 16cm in front, 11cm in the back. Just like surf boards. The finboxes used are also not the usual US box, but mini-tuttle box and Surfinz boxes in the back. These fin boxes are lighter than the conventional US box. The weight of the board in WoodCarbon won’t break records though, with a noted weight of 7.2kg, which is in the average.Early planing and upwind ability: big surprise!
On the water, totally the opposite of the [Kauli] protos we tried in March in Hawaii, the Starboard immediately surprised us with the traction we got from the fins. There’s enough grip to sail the board flat as usual and you can push super hard and still not spin out. This also helps early planing, which is very competitive. Once up and going, you’re riding a board that is riding with a lower nose angle, which gives you more control. This lets the board ride fast, but it’s especially upwind that you can see a difference against twin fins, even most single fins. The Starboard Quad 81 allowed us to hit some nice jumps in small waves and onshore conditions, thanks to its combination of speed and upwind ability, when on other boards, it really less obvious. In summary, against expectations, the Quad 81 planes up fast and tracks upwind really well. In these two categories, it’s comparable to the performance of freewave boards.Grip and using the rails in the surf
With its compact shape and width, the Quad isn’t a technical board to ride and it is forgiving to foot misplacements by the windsurfer. It generates some good speed in small waves, like a fish. What you immediately feel with this board in the wave is, on one hand, the amount of grip you have in a carve, on the bottom turn or on the top turn, and on the other hand, the amount of grip you have when you make contact with the foam. This makes you maintain your grip when finishing turns in white water. You’re always in control. It’s the same thing when you make late contact with the lip or in the most critical parts of the wave. In more details, we also liked the speed you get in surfing, especially the speed during carving transitions. You’re basically faster than single fin or twin fin boards on the rails. This is how the board turns best. The Starboard Quad needs to (or allows you to, depending on your point of view) use the rails more than on average, especially at the end of the tight bottom turns where most boards end up pivoting on your back foot. With the Quad, you can push on the back foot and carve it to turn the best way. The board also has what we call stretch, allowing it to go fast in longer, drawn out turns. The cut back is as aggressive as, if not more than twin fin boards. For more demanding waveriders, we can also adjust the front fins to smaller ones, which will increase even further maneuverability and reactivity.
Even with its width, the control in high-wind and/or at high speed in the wave is good, which means that overall this Starboard does have a very wide range of use. It worked very well as a unique board for a rider of say 78kg, from 5.5 to 4.0.Conclusion
In summary, we were firstly pleasantly surprised by the behavior of the board outside of the wave: its early planing and upwind traction is really good and makes it an efficient board in onshore conditions. We clearly see a difference with current boards on the market today. In the wave, with its super grip and its speed, the board will allow you to control the board to more critical sections and use the rails more. Your ride, your positioning in the wave and your choice of trajectory becomes closer to the style of surfers – but luckily, you’re still windsurfing! Let’s see what Starboard’s competition will follow with for 2010 now! For us at Wind magazine, this simply means more testing of these new generations of multi fin boards against the classics. See you in the September issue.Källan: http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=52877
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Man ska se till den individuella brädan o inte gå för mycket på ihopklumpade kategorier. Att välja rätt storlek på brädan o vågfena är viktigt.
En RRD WaveCult (OBS! Hardcore är en mer klassisk våg som är sällsynt i Sverige) är en bra vågbräda som håller planing o sjunker inte igenom i vågridn. Funkar bra i våra förhållanden. Lättseglad. Som jag för övrigt seglade för några timmar sen i Lejet.
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Låt dig inte luras av benämningen Freestyle i Freestyle Wave, kanske 5% Freestyle o 95% Wave. Läs tester av brädor några år tillbaka, där kan du hämta mycket, speciellt av de inledande texterna om brädkategorierna som brädorna alltid ska placeras i.
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Ja det var ju en intressant och mycket viktig kommentar! Hastighet inom vågsurfing är alltså mer en känsla av acceleration?
Om man funderar på alla fenor och yta eller totalt fenlängd så måste det rimligen påverka hastigheten, läs vindsurfingdefinitionen, jämfört med en Twin eller Single?
Även den mest rippande vindsurfare surfar väl mest rakt fram.
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Lite info/argumentation kring Quad avseende vågsurfbrädor, skrivet april 2007
Quad fins are making a comeback and increasing in popularity. Superstars like Kelly Slater and Bruce Irons are riding quads and there is talk that once someone on tour wins a contest with a quad, all hell will break loose and the quad will see an explosion similar to the abundant fish population.
Four fin quad set-ups first arrived in the early 80’s during the thruster rampage. Back then, quads felt were very similar to twin fins and because of that surfers were looking for something which provide something in between a twin and a single fin. The early thrusters provided a happy medium by providing an excellent balance of drive and turning ability. Thus, the quad died a quick death and was over shadowed by it’s popular thruster cousin.
Many shapers have since dusted off their original quads from the 80’s and have tried to apply quad fin setups to today’s modern day board design, foils, rockers, fin templates, and everything else in between. The modern day quad utilizes today’s board technology in the pursuit of helping surfers achieve that elusive ‘next level’ of surfing.
Why Do Quads Work Better?
Quads are way faster than standard thrusters or even twin fins. Most would think, how can they be faster with an extra fin…wouldn’t that create more drag? Actually, because both sets of fins are working together on the rail, there’s nothing to slow you down like the center fin of a thruster. Quads are a lot more efficient with speed.
Quads are much more responsive than twin fins or thrusters. The reason is that the fins are set further up the board which essentially puts the fins directly under your back foot. The end result is an ultra responsive board that goes where you want it to go and fast.
Four fins boast an extraordinary amount of holding power in larger surf. A large number of the world’s best big wave surfers use quads in giant surf at Jaws and Mavericks. Many of them claim that a quad fin board has better holding power and speed in giant surf. If it works well at Jaws, imagine what it could do at your local beach break?
Quad fins have a ton of versatility due in large part to the advent of the removable fin system. There are countless combinations of different fin setups you can use in your quad from fin size, cant, rake, angles, fin material, and more. You can basically find a fin setup that will work for your quad and if you have a quad that isn’t performing very well, you should probably check your fins.
http://custom.surfboardshack.com/quad-fin-surfboards-the-next-best-thing-why-four-is-better&cat=11/
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Som framgått av Quadtråden, nu (2010) får vi nog se att de ledande märkena har mycket skiftande uppfattning om vad som gäller avseende val av fenarrangemang på vågbrädor.
Många behåller Twinfin som komplement till Single, eller tvärtom, och kompletterar med något nytt, andra satsar helt på Quad, som Starboard. Några kommer att ha Twinfin som nyhet på sina 2010or.
Hmmm, vill alla ha fyrhjulsdrift, vill man kunna välja fram- eller bakhjulsdrift, för att göra en lite långsökt jämförelse. Min spontana reaktion är att många vill kunna välja en Singelvågis.
Quad är ju väl beprövat på Vågsurfbrädor. Vad skiljer mot en Vindsurfingbräda? En vågsurfingbräda surfar nerför en våg, en vågsurfingbräda planar oftast med hjälp av segel, hur påverkar detta val av fenarr?
Kommer köparna bli mer rörliga mellan brädmärken när valet av antal fenor kommer i fokus?
För övrigt ser det ut att komma vind till nästa helg, oavsett antalet fenor…
